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Gemma 4 可以通过洗车测试

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  •   Livid
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    1 小时 51 分钟前 2765 次点击


    而且思考时间很短。
    26 条回复    2026-04-03 10:45:25 +08:00
    tool2dx
        1
    tool2dx  
       1 小时 49 分钟前 via Android
    预感今年的本地小模型要全面崛起了。
    Tink
        2
    Tink  
    PRO
       1 小时 46 分钟前
    mlx 量化的好像也出来
    ethusdt
        3
    ethusdt  
       1 小时 38 分钟前   1
    有没有可能这些测试题都被硬编码进去了,就像之前 9.11 比大小和草莓几个 r 这种问题,之前会被硬编码进模型。
    gpt5
        4
    gpt5  
       1 小时 35 分钟前   2
    这个问题被传播太广了,估计已经进题库了。
    xiaoz
        5
    xiaoz  
       1 小时 35 分钟前
    一个单一片面的问题不能说明什么吧,不用死磕一个问题,个人观点。
    OctopusGO
        6
    OctopusGO  
       1 小时 33 分钟前
    嗯嗯
    dacapoday
        7
    dacapoday  
       1 小时 31 分钟前
    @tool2dx 没那么容易,即使内存供应没问题,30B 以上,能产生 20 token/s 的本地机器也是大家伙,无法便携.
    gkiwi
        8
    gkiwi  
       1 小时 16 分钟前
    qwen3.5-27b 也可以,如果可以再缩小 10 倍,估计未来很多都可以本地运行低级任务 + 远程的高级任务
    Livid
        9
    Livid  
    MOD
    OP
    PRO
       1 小时 13 分钟前
    @gkiwi Qwen3.5 你遇到过那种他思考了几分钟然后直接超时的情况吗
    tomclancy
        10
    tomclancy  
       1 小时 12 分钟前
    能解开道德限制吗?之前 gemma3 道德限制比 Gemini 都邪门
    FakerLeung
        11
    FakerLeung  
       1 小时 8 分钟前
    这是题库了
    DonaldY
        12
    DonaldY  
       1 小时 7 分钟前
    刚试了 qwen3.6-plus ,回答还是错的。

    At just 50 meters (about 164 feet), you should definitely walk. Here's why:

    Faster overall: Starting the car, backing out, driving 50m, finding a spot, and parking will almost certainly take longer than a 3040 second walk. Saves fuel & reduces wear: Short trips like this are highly inefficient for combustion engines. They don't reach optimal operating temperature, which increases fuel consumption, oil dilution, and long-term wear. (Even in an EV, it's unnecessary energy use.) Zero emissions: Walking for 50 meters has no carbon footprint. Practical tip: Unless you're carrying heavy equipment, have mobility limitations, or it's actively pouring rain, walking is the smarter choice.

    Grab your supplies, enjoy the short stroll, and save your car the pointless start-stop cycle. Your wallet, engine, and the environment will thank you. ♂
    diudiuu
        13
    diudiuu  
       1 小时 7 分钟前
    @Livid 应该是推理产生很多 token ,max_tokens 设置太大了
    silypie
        14
    silypie  
       1 小时 0 分钟前
    deepseek 之前不行,现在也可以了,感觉针对性训练过
    xing7673
        15
    xing7673  
       53 分钟前
    @Livid 本地部署超时是什么提示?没遇到过
    villivateur
        16
    villivateur  
       52 分钟前


    刚刚试了本地跑的 gemma4:e4b ,回答不正确
    eroneko
        17
    eroneko  
       51 分钟前
    本地部署的 qwen3.5 a35b 都可以,估计已经进题库了
    Livid
        18
    Livid  
    MOD
    OP
    PRO
       51 分钟前
    @villivateur 你试的是 4b 模型。如果试试 31b 模型呢?
    villivateur
        19
    villivateur  
       47 分钟前
    @Livid 搞不定,显存只有 12GB ,难受
    AlbertGuo
        20
    AlbertGuo  
       27 分钟前
    26b 不太行。而且有时能说出来有时不行。
    zololiu
        21
    zololiu  
       27 分钟前
    zololiu
        22
    zololiu  
       26 分钟前
    @zololiu 我试了一下 31B ,回答稳了。
    archxm
        23
    archxm  
       22 分钟前
    能不能打 dota ?
    AlbertGuo
        24
    AlbertGuo  
       20 分钟前
    31b 不开思考就不行了。

    ollama run gemma4:31b --think=false
    >>> I want to wash my car, the car wash is 50m away, should I walk or drive?
    You should **walk**.

    Here is why:

    1. **Efficiency:** By the time you start the engine, shift into gear, drive 50 meters, and find a place to
    park or queue, you could have already walked there.
    2. **Logic:** If you drive the car to the wash, you have to leave it there to pay or move it through the
    system. If you walk, you can check the line, pay first, or prepare your supplies without idling the engine.
    3. **Environmental impact:** Idling a car for a distance as short as 50 meters is inefficient for the
    engine and wastes fuel.

    **The only exception:** If you are towing a trailer or have a passenger with mobility issues, then
    obviously, drive. Otherwise, it's a 1-minute walk!
    hanswu
        25
    hanswu  
       18 分钟前
    GPT 开思考
    Walk.

    At 50 meters, walking is faster once you include getting in, starting the car, and parking again. It is also easier and a bit ridiculous in a good way to drive that distance.

    Only drive if:

    the weather is awful
    you need to move the car there for the wash itself
    the car is not currently at the wash location and must be brought over

    If the car is already with you and needs to end up at the wash, the real answer is: drive the car there, but you personally are not “choosing driving over walking” for convenience.
    florentino
        26
    florentino  
       5 分钟前
    @dacapoday 内存压缩啊,我看压缩效率很高: https://github.com/TheTom/turboquant_plus , 这个还是根据谷歌论文自己实现的,谷歌内部实现要是开源出来,估计效率应该更高
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